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Last day of summer. I have no desire to go to school tomorrow, which I guess is odd because I usualy love going back to school.

180 more days until the end of my public education.

Maybe that's why.

And if this is supposed to be "the best years of my life" does the rest of life suck that badly, or all those people nostagic for a time that didn't exist?

Date: 2005-08-17 10:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] commanderteddog.livejournal.com
It's the latter. High school sucks, period. I found the system too confined, strict and DULL. University is very much the same way; in both cases education is treated coldly and there's no room for discussion. Pardon my language, but the ivory tower sucks ass. Education should not be a chore so you can get a good job.

I found college much more exciting (Uni and college are not the same in Canada), but it took a long while to get used to because it was so different from my other places of education. The first year is a little harsh, since you get stuck with many kids who are only in the program because mommy and daddy told them to go. Those guys tend to drop out within the first year; my program's dropout rate was 50%. Some jerks tend to stick around, but it's then easier to find people in the program with a passion for the field of study. If you share that same passion, you tend to hit it off well.

I can't really articulate this...

Date: 2005-08-18 06:16 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] msp-hacker.livejournal.com
Uni and college are not the same in Canada

Really, one day I'll remember that.

But it doesn't seem right that education should be treated that way. I understand the suck that comes from mandatory education, because one size fits all education doesn't really fit anyone.

But education that in one of the fields that you're passionate about, and that you're paying way too much for, shouldn't be like that. It just seems in bad taste or somthing.

My mom is completing her diplomia in a business degree because she thinks she can get a better job than professional daycare.

If people are demanding a college education just to get a job that's a little better than minimum wage, what would qualify her to do somthing that pays more than putting in a little time in subjects she won't ever use and that she doesn't find intersting.

It just seems really lame to me to do that. If a demand is so great for continuing education so that you have trouble finding a job that pays more than the minimium, shouldn't you just continue the publicly funded education?

Of course, that would just continue the much disliked high school...

Re: I can't really articulate this...

Date: 2005-08-19 08:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] commanderteddog.livejournal.com
Really, one day I'll remember that.

Sorry if I sound like a broken record. It's not very well known outside of Canada and I forgot who I've explained it to.

The education system is flat out broken, unless you find that... "good" spot. Otherwise? Crap!

But education that in one of the fields that you're passionate about, and that you're paying way too much for, shouldn't be like that. It just seems in bad taste or somthing.

This was honest to goodness university for me. "One size fits all" my butt. I can rant for hours on my time at uni, but I won't.

The thing is, people aren't lookin for a field they're passionate about anymore. It's all about the dollars. I'm too lazy to dig it up at the moment for an exact reference, but one of the books I'm reading through states that about 74% of students in the American post-secondary system believe that they'll become millionaires after completing the program. Attendance in fields of study goes up and down with pop culture. If a field is thought of as an easy meal ticket, more people will go into it.

I was raised in a community where just a high school education is good to be enough to find work at the factories. About half the people in my high school year dropped out. Not that many people in Canada try for post-secondary, either; I think it's sitting at about 20% and, heaven bless them, the Ontario government has a campaign out there to discourage students from attending post secondary and to instead do an apprenticeship.

And personally, I think the solution to the problem lies not in more education, but in uping minimum wage to a living wage. If you take care of your employees, they'll take of you. Minimum wage in Kansas is $2.65. WTF?

Date: 2005-08-18 07:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-crazy-lady.livejournal.com
I agree with commanderteddog, high school sucks. Can't say anything about college, but high school does suck. I, however, am reluctant to see it end, if only because I've been doing it for the last 12 years and am highly anti-change (because most change sucks). But after this whole referendum crap I won't be sad as I thought I would a few years ago.

Date: 2005-08-18 02:54 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] msp-hacker.livejournal.com
I'm not a big fan of radical change either, and that's one of the few reasons why I'm going to be sad to leave Jasper.

Yes, I will be sad to leave Japser. Who knew?

But I don't really think that high school sucks. I like most of the teachers, even if I don't like most of the student body. And I like most of the courses, even though the mandatory parts of the curriculium occasionaly bite.

Date: 2005-08-18 03:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-crazy-lady.livejournal.com
It could suck worse, I'll give it that. And it's not so much that school itself sucks, just the stuff that's happened while I was in high school suck lots.

And I agree; 95% of the teachers are great. The student body. . . 95% of them suck. The courses are OK (though sophomore year was extremely boring 'cept for Japanese), but really, really gets me is the stupid administration making stupid decisions and the like. I won't be missing them, to say the least.

Date: 2005-08-18 01:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] myrthrilmercury.livejournal.com
I think they mean college. It's been that way for me, at least.

Date: 2005-08-18 02:40 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] msp-hacker.livejournal.com
I'm glad it's not just my imagination, because going somewhere you want to be seems better than a place that you're compulsed to go to for most of your time there.

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