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New York Times Review of Torchwood


By GINIA BELLAFANTE
Published: September 8, 2007



A ‘Doctor Who’ World, With Sex in It

Last year the Guinness Book of Records named the British series “Doctor Who” the longest-running science-fiction thriller in the history of television, after more than 700 episodes over 43 years. Having made its debut in 1963, “Doctor Who” ran through the governments of Harold Wilson (Labor), Edward Heath (Conservative), James Callaghan (Labor) and Margaret Thatcher (Conservative), before taking a 16-year hiatus, then returning in a revived version in 2005, eight years into the leadership of Tony Blair (Labor).

I have no idea why this is relevant. Okay, so "The Happiness Patrol" is supposed to be a deliberate mocking of Thatcher, but generally Who's political leanings have been the same the entire run, no matter who was in government, yes?

The show’s tenacity seems to know no constraints, as the arrival of “Torchwood,” a spinoff to begin on BBC America tonight, appears further to prove. The science-fiction thriller has been absent as a dominant force of American television for some time — at the moment, we seem to prefer that our villains possess both human spirit and form. Maybe we are all too eager to acknowledge the terrible things that people are capable of.

Sci-fi, yes. The only sci-fi I can really think of would be both Stargates and Battlestar Galatica, but supernatural never went away! Buffy? Supernatural? And, now, Heroes?

And perhaps that has left the British to see Americans as too reproving of mankind, because more and more, it seems, we are on the receiving end of their television industry’s supernaturally themed exports.

If you mean more and more by "Hex" then, yes, totally Ms. Bellafante.

“Torchwood” is set in a present-day world threatened by alien invasion, though as enemies the aliens stand not as a metaphor for our darker instincts and foibles; they seem to stand for nothing at all. The term Torchwood — an anagram of Doctor Who — refers to a covert operation that exists to pilfer alien technology for use against the extraterrestrials.

...Well, there's the Weevils, but most of the time it's humans that are the real monsters.

Stockpiling the technology is the goal of the team’s leader, Jack Harkness (John Barrowman, transported from “Doctor Who”), until he meets a more Earthcentric police officer who persuades him to begin deploying alien gadgetry and techniques in solving ordinary crimes.

Er. The closest they got to solving ordinary crime was "Countrycide" and that was by accident

As that police officer, Gwen Cooper (Eve Myles), soon discovers, though, so many crimes seem to have alien footprints all over them. Or at least they do in Cardiff, the Welsh city where “Torchwood” is set because Cardiff rests on a rift in the space-time continuum, which for aliens has the effect of some kind of bad caffeine, driving them to greater feats of malevolent industry.

If it's actually an alien that's killing people, it's usually in Cardiff because that's were it crashed. Or kept locked up.

It’s possible the space-time rift isn’t the problem, though. I’d do bad things in Cardiff too, mostly because it is lighted here to look like Studio 54 in the mid-1970s.

It's called night. You may be familiar with this concept as it occurs here every twenty-four hours.

And, as in the Studio 54 of the 1970s, there is sex. “Torchwood” imagines that human sex is so good that it is the envy of the universe. In one episode an alien descends upon Cardiff to inhabit various bodies and sleep with as many people as she can. People immediately evaporate after consorting with her, but oh, well. Earth sex with young urban professionals is simply too sublime for her to pass up. Tell that to Dr. Phil.

I guess? The alien is actually after the energy, but as humans posses some of the best... wasn't mentioned somewhere that humans were just the sluttiest species in the universe? That may be a fannon thing.

Jack Harkness himself is meant to be one particularly sexy earthling. Mr. Barrowman bears a remarkable resemblance to Hugh Grant of the Elizabeth Hurley years. This turns out to be more distracting than you might think, because Jack isn’t supposed to be a bumbler. He is all commanding self-assurance. And just when you start to think he is going to say something like, “All right then. Well, no! I didn’t mean at all to suggest that you look like Gertrude Stein,” he instead says something that makes him sound like Lou Dobbs on immigration:

“These creatures regain a foothold by exploiting human weakness. And they take a base, rebuild their forces, and before you know it, the cyberrace is spreading out across the universe, erasing worlds, assimilating populations.”

And this just make any sense, Ms. Bellefonte, as first you say that Jack Harkness is self-assured, and then you think he's going to say something from a Hugh Grant movie? Also, he would sound just like Lou Dobbs, except Cybermen really are soulless killing machines, and illegal immigrants are just people trying to earn a living.

“Torchwood” is a world I wouldn’t mind seeing erased.

I belive [livejournal.com profile] dounutsweeper best put it: MORON!

Date: 2007-09-23 03:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] donutsweeper.livejournal.com
It's called night. You may be familiar with this concept as it occurs here every twenty-four hours.

LOL, great commentary on a dreadful review!

Date: 2007-09-23 04:23 pm (UTC)

Date: 2007-09-23 04:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] asrai99.livejournal.com
"Mr. Barrowman bears a remarkable resemblance to Hugh Grant..."

... What? Where? How??

Maybe as someone living in the UK I'm a tad biased but she seems pretty bitter about the fact that Torchwood is a British show and that British shows are exported to the US instead of the other way round.

*shrugs*

Date: 2007-09-23 04:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] darthhellokitty.livejournal.com
I know we send House over there, and I think Supernatural too.

Date: 2007-09-23 04:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] asrai99.livejournal.com
Well, I simply don't see the problem with countries 'swapping' tv shows. Isn't diversity supposed to be a good thing...?

Date: 2007-09-23 05:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] donutsweeper.livejournal.com
Seriously! Half the shows on cable in the US are filmed in Canada anyway!

Date: 2007-09-23 06:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] asrai99.livejournal.com
Because it's cheaper, no? I remember that fans of the show Highlander called the city 'Seacouver' because it was supposed to be Seattle but actually filmed in Vancouver.=)

Date: 2007-09-23 06:20 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] msp-hacker.livejournal.com
It was cheaper to film in Vancouver because the Canadian dollar was weak against the US dollar for the past thirty years, but in the last couple of days it's reached parity, so I don't think it is, anymore.

See the New York Times it a good paper - just not for art reviews. = )

Date: 2007-09-23 06:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] asrai99.livejournal.com
I've heard of the New York Times - obviously I don't read it though. And sometimes I get very annoyed with stuff that's written in my favourite papers because the authors seem to have undergone a lobotomy before sitting down at their keyboards.

Date: 2007-09-23 06:55 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] msp-hacker.livejournal.com
I usually just manage to get though the main section - I didn't even realize they reviewed Torchwood until today.

I usually get more frustrated with the fact it seems like there's a just a few people making everyone else miserable so they can grab power.

Date: 2007-09-23 08:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] donutsweeper.livejournal.com
For years and years the New York Times was considered the pinnacle of journalism in the United States, although I think some of the shine has gone off it of late.

Date: 2007-09-23 09:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] asrai99.livejournal.com
Why is that? Have the editors changed?

Date: 2007-09-23 09:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] donutsweeper.livejournal.com
A number of reporters were accused of making up facts and then there's the fact that newspapers in general have been having such a tough time financially that nearly all papers seem to be catering to whatever will sell more papers.

Date: 2007-09-23 10:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] asrai99.livejournal.com
Oh dear, that doesn't sound good. Then again, I'm in England right now and I more or less loathe every single newspaper here, so as long as there's alternatives...?

Date: 2007-09-23 04:21 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] msp-hacker.livejournal.com
It's odd, because it's on BBCAmerica, which is extended cable - and the only other place that you would ever see forigen media is PBS. Which is random collection of whatever is available - and Doctor Who, because they used to run the Classic Who all the time.

But yeah, I think she's a bit weirded out about the media storming that Torchwood has done. But since the US exports media all the time... I don't know.

Date: 2007-09-23 04:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] asrai99.livejournal.com
I grew up in a country where about 90% of the tv shows were American (dubbed quite badly, too); so I suppose I'm simply not used to the thought that virtually everything on the telly could be homegrown, so to speak.

I don't know, she seemed to be in a pretty bitchy mood when she wrote that article; not only that, but she packed it full of irrelevant stuff, too, like the completely inappropriate introduction. Talk about missing the point - enumerating the Prime Ministers in power (plus political affiliation) when Doctor Who was first broadcast when the article is actually supposed to be about Torchwood?

On the other hand, she didn't mention once that John Barrowman is gay and she gets a brownie point for that from me. =)

Date: 2007-09-23 04:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] donutsweeper.livejournal.com
On the other hand, she didn't mention once that John Barrowman is gay and she gets a brownie point for that from me. =)

My guess is she didn't bother to do enough research to know, but I'm glad she didn't mention it either, too often its just randomly smashed into a review for no reason whatsoever.

Date: 2007-09-23 04:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] asrai99.livejournal.com
I know! It's completely random: Oh, and btw, the male lead is gay! Shiny!

Date: 2007-09-23 05:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] donutsweeper.livejournal.com
Yep, it's been mentioned in nearly every interview/review I've seen of Torchwood in the States. And I can't figure out why it matters, who cares?

Date: 2007-09-23 05:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] asrai99.livejournal.com
Well, most characters in Torchwood seem to be sexually ambiguous to some degree, so maybe that's why? Also, it's still quite rare for an openly gay actor to have a lead role in a show like Torchwood - so I suppose it's just the novelty. I hope it'll wear off after a while though.

Date: 2007-09-23 05:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] donutsweeper.livejournal.com
We can only hope!

Date: 2007-09-23 05:58 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] msp-hacker.livejournal.com
I think seen it in almost every single John Barrowman interview I've read that took place after he "came out" - except the IGN interview, which made me happy for a whole host of reasons.

Though, I do have to admit in some cases it made sense that his sexuality was gotten into - like when they were talking about his not!wedding!

Date: 2007-09-23 04:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] darthhellokitty.livejournal.com
I love the NYT, but sometimes their reviews are just a bit OFF. Or TOTALLY off, in this case.

Date: 2007-09-23 04:23 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] msp-hacker.livejournal.com
I have no idea that they even reviewed Torchwood or I would have kept a copy of the Arts section. I know she watched it, but WTF was her reasoning?

Date: 2007-09-23 08:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] donutsweeper.livejournal.com
It was in their Sept 8th paper, if you still have it.

Date: 2007-09-23 04:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madame-d.livejournal.com
Er... has she seen the show, or just read summarizing blurbs thereof?

And, since I'm disgruntled by the review already, I think she should've also mentioned that Cardiff isn't just a random Welsh city but is, in fact, the capital. Americans are insular and ignorant enough as it is; they could stand to get some world education.

But really? What? What? WHAT?

Date: 2007-09-23 04:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silver-x-cross.livejournal.com
could be worse- seen some American reviews referring to Cardiff as being in England!

Totally agree with everyone elese's comments here though- did she even watch the show?! Or for that matter notice all the other sci-fi fantasy shows of the last 10 years from both the US and the UK?!

and since when did JB look anything like Hugh Grant?! Tom Cruise comparisons I can kinda see, but Hugh Grant?! WTF?!!!

Date: 2007-09-23 06:13 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] msp-hacker.livejournal.com
could be worse- seen some American reviews referring to Cardiff as being in England!

And I apologize on behalf of my countrymen to the Welsh, because *headdesk*.

I don't see it either - but I've seen several comparisons to Hugh Grant, so I'm guessing that they must look alike somehow. Maybe it's the hair?

Date: 2007-09-23 07:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madame-d.livejournal.com
*nods* It's the hair. I think. I ... don't see it, either.

And I apologize on behalf of my countrymen to the Welsh, because *headdesk*.

Bwah! There does seem to be a certain number of people who seem to equate England with Great Britain, and use the terms interchangeably.

Date: 2007-09-23 06:09 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] msp-hacker.livejournal.com
Hey! I know that Cardiff is the capital of Wales! = ) Though I'm a bit fuzzy on the exact interplay between Wales and the United Kingdom as a whole. I keep thinking it's something like a state, in that it's independent in someways and subservient in others, but I know it's not.

But I can understand why she would not put that Cardiff is the capital. If the show was set in London, or Canberra even, I would not bet on her mentioning that the show is set in the capital city of their respective country.

Date: 2007-09-23 07:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madame-d.livejournal.com
Hey! I know that Cardiff is the capital of Wales! = )

Sorry, I didn't mean for it to sound that offensive. I know quite a lot of people who know where Cardiff is, and even that it's Welsh capital. And none of those (highly educated, science-degree holding) people is also aware that Canberra is the capital of Australia. So, you know.

My point was that it's not a random show that's happening in the middle of nowhere in Wales, that 'country left of London'; it's happening in a major city.

Date: 2007-09-23 08:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shinji-star.livejournal.com
I'd say working off the blurbs and a preview trail as the 'using alien tools to fight crimes' was hyped by the BBC press office but wasn't much used in the show. If I remember right a similar problem happened with the Australian press. But this reviewer does seem determined to see any British TV through the lense of Hugh Grant.
And Mrs New York Times, the party currently in power is called the Labour party, not Labor. British party= british spelling.

Date: 2007-09-23 05:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bunnii0.livejournal.com
I think someone got out of the wrong side of bed that morning (Not you, just to clarify lol :D )

This person seems to have something against Torchwood being a Welsh/British show. I doubt shes even watched the show, just been paid by another channel so that the viewings go down or something.
And what the hell is the political leaders about. Its a show for gods sake, they dont base around that particular years leader do they.

Hugh Grant... whaaa?

"It's called night. You may be familiar with this concept as it occurs here every twenty-four hours."
Oh that right there. Thats good! lmao.

Date: 2007-09-23 06:34 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] msp-hacker.livejournal.com
Thanks!

I don't understand what Ms. Bellefante would have against Welsh/British shows. Other than just not liking Welsh/British humor, maybe.

Of course, it's gotten a little nativist over here again, which is really stupid because over 90% of the population is descended from immigrants.

I'm confused about the political leaders as well, and except in extraordinarily rare cases it doesn't matter which way the government is leaning, as sometimes shows choose to "speak out" against an administration's policies. And Torchwood doesn't seem to do that, other than saying that power corrupts, and organizations with scary amounts of power should not be for the whims whoever is in charge at the moment. (The idea that government should be of laws instead of men - yeah, an American saying, but it works for most things, IMHO.)

Date: 2007-09-23 08:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bunnii0.livejournal.com
I dont understand why she would have a problem either, it just seems like she does, for some obscure reason. :)

I think, since Torchwood is "outside the government...yada yada yada..." they wont have anything to do with the political leaders of the time. Heck, since its probably set around 2009 how can they make an argument against them anyway. *_*

Im settled on my opinion that the woman is just trying to make a statement and has failed, due to lack of consistency and a really badly written article that hardly bears any truths. :)

Date: 2007-09-23 06:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] laurab1.livejournal.com
The lead's buried, the article makes little sense and the whole thing's just badly written, full stop.

Jack Harkness himself is meant to be one particularly sexy earthling

Jack *is* one *incredibly* sexy Earthling, dear.

**awards msp_hacker the Internets**

Date: 2007-09-23 06:38 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] msp-hacker.livejournal.com
Huzzah! *puts internets in box*

Jack *is* one *incredibly* sexy Earthling, dear.

Oh, yes, absolutely! Except replace "earthling" with "human" - I'm not nailing shut the coffin of the idea that Jack is from a colony world until I have to. = )

Date: 2007-09-23 08:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] masb1987.livejournal.com
The problem I have with this review (other than the sub-par writing) is that the person writing it doesn't seem to be someone who'd watch the show, even just out of curiosity. They're purposely oversimplifying everything and missing the point. They're someone who probably watched five or six minutes from a couple episodes and slopped this together.

And I really wish I got BBC America.

Date: 2007-09-23 10:02 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] msp-hacker.livejournal.com
That's the whole problem with reviews, I think, you have a person who's job it is to review everything that comes her own way - no matter if the subject would bore her to tears, or would never willingly watch something in the genre. The Everyman does not exist, man.

I do too. = (

Date: 2007-09-23 09:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] somedaybitch.livejournal.com
it's the NYT. honestly, did you expect something else? how they don't drown in their own pretention is a source of much musing 'tween Fanty and i much speculation.

Date: 2007-09-23 10:00 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] msp-hacker.livejournal.com
I don't stray much into their review section, and when I do it's to read some review about a museum and not about a favorite show, so it did come about as a surprise. That, and that the review would be completely incomprehensible!

Date: 2007-09-23 10:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] somedaybitch.livejournal.com
yeah, they're speshul

Date: 2007-09-23 11:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ninefifteen.livejournal.com
That article was just rubbish. I loved your comments!

Date: 2007-09-23 11:43 pm (UTC)

Date: 2007-09-24 12:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rachel68620.livejournal.com
Ok first of John Barrowman looks nothing like Hugh Grant, unless you're from Pluto or something.

Second, WTF is this woman's problem? I mean I get that she doesn't like the show, but she just comes off as a total bitch. Like she doesn't like the show for some personal reason. If that makes any sense.

Date: 2007-09-24 10:01 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] msp-hacker.livejournal.com
Yeah, it makes sense. Though it would have been nice to get more concrete reasons not to watch the show.

Date: 2007-09-24 12:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] woodencoyote.livejournal.com
“Torchwood” is a world I wouldn’t mind seeing erased.

After that rambling commentary, that line came out of left-field and ended just as quickly.

"Well, looks like I should start getting to the point now - whoops! Out of time"

Mind letting the curious view public know why you don't like it so much? In more concrete terms than John is distractingly good looking...

Date: 2007-09-24 09:59 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] msp-hacker.livejournal.com
Don't forget the hatred for night shots!

Date: 2007-09-24 11:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mistressslash.livejournal.com
I much preferred your commentary than the stupid article. This is the first and only review I've seen that didn't like the show. Obviously, she's doesn't watch SciFi, fantasy or supernatural shows. This is one of the best.

And Captain Jack Harkness and his human counterpart? IS A SEX GOD!! Just ask Ianto. And the Doctor (9 & 10). And Rose. And - oh, you get the point! :)

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