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twincityhackerSo it's an ungodly hour, and I've been thinking of MST3K all day. That can only mean one thing: fucking insane theory time.
Todays maddness comes curtosy of things that if I said I was inspired of, I'd be shot.
So I was working on a fic that had balooned to unbellivedable propotions, when a little concept that was perkerlating though my mind suddenly decied to give me a (handwritten) page of dialouge.
The idea is thus. FC (If I put down which female charecter I would be shot) is for some reason goes into the past to Gizmonic Insitute. (Maybe she's looking for something that was last seen there, I don't know, I'm just taking dictation at this point.) Anyway, she recives a distinctly unwarm welcome and is thrown into the dugeon. (She did just break in/attempt to steal papers/try to lift some scientific equiptment after all) Only to be resued by Joel - with a little help from Dr. Clayton Forrester.
This is where we start jounerying into a whole werid area.
Joel tells her that it's not because she just tried to steal something. Well, it's that and because they're angry that she exists. And being that she's a member of a minortiy group that deals with people not wanting her to exist a lot, she snipes back something along the lines of "what else is new?" (I didn't quite catch what she said) and then he tries to rephrase his statement, they're jealous that she exists. She's a touched confused, but handeling it.
Then Dr. Clayton Forrester comes in from creating the discration that provied the oppertunity for Joel to bust FC out of the duegon. So out they go of the Mystery Science Theater 3000, and into where ever Dr. F had his stuff before he and Dr. E evacuated to Deep 13. Only he has lots of flowers. (Honstely, it looks like a broadway star's first nighter table)
So between the two of them, they explain why the hate/jelousy. Not only does the FC have tomorrows, but she has yesterdays. It turns out that today is just in fact, today. They have a few hours of existance between oblivion in the past and oblvion in the future, and by the FC traveling to that specific moment, the hours are disapering faster than it was.
But, one may be asking, why has the entire time of the univserse shrunken into three hours?
They go further to explain this. For some reason, this particualar universe is beeing shreded to stich together other universes
And the flowers, and what turn out to be sympathy cards? It turns out that for whatever reason, Drs. F, E and Joel are going to survive the universe ending - afteall, it's being torn to strips and they happen to exist on one of those - but they're entire existance wil be re-written. And Clay makes the point if that you're past is completely changed, and everything around you is remade, are you still yourself?
So the major shifts (like season 1 SoL to season 2 SoL) would be the strip that they're existing on being streached or squashed when it's holding two or more merged universes together.
There's also a slightly diffrent version of this, where FC (it's the same FC in the above crack) is on the SOL. Only it's when two universes are mearging, and there's stray energy ripples, and Joel's jumpsuit keeps switching from tan to red.
Finaly, I've come to the conclusion that Joel and Mike evidenty can wear the same clothes, even though Mike's taller and broader, and have pretty iron proof. Micheal J. Nelson and Joel Hogdson can wear the same jumpsuit and fit, as Real!Mike wears Real!Joel's KTMA jumpsuit in the second season. It may not fit the best, but they can at least trade jumpsuits.
Todays maddness comes curtosy of things that if I said I was inspired of, I'd be shot.
So I was working on a fic that had balooned to unbellivedable propotions, when a little concept that was perkerlating though my mind suddenly decied to give me a (handwritten) page of dialouge.
The idea is thus. FC (If I put down which female charecter I would be shot) is for some reason goes into the past to Gizmonic Insitute. (Maybe she's looking for something that was last seen there, I don't know, I'm just taking dictation at this point.) Anyway, she recives a distinctly unwarm welcome and is thrown into the dugeon. (She did just break in/attempt to steal papers/try to lift some scientific equiptment after all) Only to be resued by Joel - with a little help from Dr. Clayton Forrester.
This is where we start jounerying into a whole werid area.
Joel tells her that it's not because she just tried to steal something. Well, it's that and because they're angry that she exists. And being that she's a member of a minortiy group that deals with people not wanting her to exist a lot, she snipes back something along the lines of "what else is new?" (I didn't quite catch what she said) and then he tries to rephrase his statement, they're jealous that she exists. She's a touched confused, but handeling it.
Then Dr. Clayton Forrester comes in from creating the discration that provied the oppertunity for Joel to bust FC out of the duegon. So out they go of the Mystery Science Theater 3000, and into where ever Dr. F had his stuff before he and Dr. E evacuated to Deep 13. Only he has lots of flowers. (Honstely, it looks like a broadway star's first nighter table)
So between the two of them, they explain why the hate/jelousy. Not only does the FC have tomorrows, but she has yesterdays. It turns out that today is just in fact, today. They have a few hours of existance between oblivion in the past and oblvion in the future, and by the FC traveling to that specific moment, the hours are disapering faster than it was.
But, one may be asking, why has the entire time of the univserse shrunken into three hours?
They go further to explain this. For some reason, this particualar universe is beeing shreded to stich together other universes
And the flowers, and what turn out to be sympathy cards? It turns out that for whatever reason, Drs. F, E and Joel are going to survive the universe ending - afteall, it's being torn to strips and they happen to exist on one of those - but they're entire existance wil be re-written. And Clay makes the point if that you're past is completely changed, and everything around you is remade, are you still yourself?
So the major shifts (like season 1 SoL to season 2 SoL) would be the strip that they're existing on being streached or squashed when it's holding two or more merged universes together.
There's also a slightly diffrent version of this, where FC (it's the same FC in the above crack) is on the SOL. Only it's when two universes are mearging, and there's stray energy ripples, and Joel's jumpsuit keeps switching from tan to red.
Finaly, I've come to the conclusion that Joel and Mike evidenty can wear the same clothes, even though Mike's taller and broader, and have pretty iron proof. Micheal J. Nelson and Joel Hogdson can wear the same jumpsuit and fit, as Real!Mike wears Real!Joel's KTMA jumpsuit in the second season. It may not fit the best, but they can at least trade jumpsuits.
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Date: 2006-07-14 02:15 pm (UTC)The only way I can see that being pulled off is if the female character is indeed Magic Voice and the MV in later canon is an echo of this other person. Even then, that would have to be handled very carefully, as no one is going to want to see MV become a sue. I personally saw MV being like Nicole from the Sonic comics; an AI that was created in the future and sent back to help the characters in the present, knowing full well that she'll be destroyed and never see her proper time again. However, it's never explained where MV came from, so it's very open for any fan to pick and choose their own idea.
Trying to explain MST3K season 0 is like trying to explain season one of PoG or Harold's bouncing age and the sudden changes in Possum Lodge in Red Green. Me thinks it's a lost cause. Even when a canon itself has retroactive continuity, huge plot holes open up. One you might have seen is the one that occured in Red Green during the special Hindsight is 20/20. That confirmed that the Smith and Smith skits from 1979 ARE part of Red Green canon, but Harold played a major role in getting Red on the show. The problem? Harold was born in 1972, "when Bobby Fisher won the big chess thing". Granted, Harold is smart, but it's hard to see him being able to get Red onto TV when he's seven.
Like most early seasons, we're supposed to just deal and move on. I like the "there was problems with the transmissions so everything looks and sound different!" idea, although some fans discount the whole season all together.
"Finaly, I've come to the conclusion that Joel and Mike evidenty can wear the same clothes, even though Mike's taller and broader, and have pretty iron proof. Micheal J. Nelson and Joel Hogdson can wear the same jumpsuit and fit, as Real!Mike wears Real!Joel's KTMA jumpsuit in the second season. It may not fit the best, but they can at least trade jumpsuits."
My opinion is that the very idea of Mike and Joel switching jumpsuits is a pile of crap and is a stupid plot device. Steff mentioned the jumpsuit switching to be once and I went "What the Hell?!" Nope, it doesn't have anything to do with my opinion on MST3K slash or pairings in general. Even if you extend it to that level, I don't think anyone can imagine IP&S Rick and Nance switching clothes as a symbol of their love, although jacket is a different story. It's confirmed in canon that some of Rick's unstableness is tied to that coat and thus anything involving it would also involve psychological issues. Rick's jacket != the jumpsuits, though and there's nothing kinky or hot about people sharing clothes. [/end wanky rant]
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Date: 2006-07-14 05:54 pm (UTC)If this ever gets written, which it most likey won't because of the fic I'm actualy working on right now, the FC is going to get dumped. Usually, when a OC charecter shows up, he or she gets written out of the piece. Unless it's the Gizmonic scientists/janitors/researchers/cafeteria workers, and I'm bound and deterimied that one day I'll have a female scientist in a speaking role. Even if she's a carbon copy of Roslind Franklin, but younger and alive.
I can't keep from worrying on this subject - but once I stop watching KTMA era episodes every other day, it might work. But it's mostly a excuse to show how a higher dimensional object changes shape as regards to 3D space. And some random technobable about how crossovers work, but that's something else.
As reguards to the clothes: It's not a symbol of their love, it's a symbol that I'm about to make a very lame joke. It's laundry day for Mike Nelson, as Crow has managed to dye Mike's clothes pink. Again.
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Date: 2006-07-14 06:48 pm (UTC)Very interesting, though. It's really neat how (in canon) little things on the SOL keep changing, and the characters act like it has always been there.
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Date: 2006-07-14 07:24 pm (UTC)Actually, I don't think the feed lot was too far out of left field, as Crow and Tom mentioned that they were going to make cheese as it's more stable than the veal market.
Uhm. Nevermind.
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