twincityhacker: hands in an overcoat's pockets (Jack and the Doctor)
twincityhacker ([personal profile] twincityhacker) wrote2007-09-01 09:33 pm

Bayseian Fandom

Cannon Statement:
Jack is a Fact of the universe.

Theory:
Jack's probability of existence is 1. This only becomes interesting when you realize that everyone else's probability of existence is lower. ( Ex. Toshiko Sato has a probability of 63% )

Not only can people be erased from existence with a paradox, there is - or now there is, since the fabric of time has grown more unstable since the Fall of the Time Lords and their obsessive matenence of a strict version of events - a small flickering in and out of existence based on events that happen do to even minor time travel interference in the time stream.

Examples in Cannon:
Timey-Wimy Sally Sparrow. Harriet Jones' political career. Tim Latimer missing that bomb, and resulting family because he lived. The Great and Bountiful Fourth Human Empire, though I'm not sure this one is a casualty of the Time War or not.

Conclusion:
So even if you made a Paradox Machine and killed Jack Harkness before he became Jack Harkness, he still would exist. And then he would probably kill you twice - before and after he destroyed the Paradox Machine.
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[identity profile] msp-hacker.livejournal.com 2007-09-02 03:56 am (UTC)(link)
I keep banging against what a fixed point means. I was flipping though wikipedia, and saw probabity...

I do see a Jack/Galifrey thing. They're both fixed points, but they still move, since they do travel though linerar time, and even age glacially slow.

Plus, it strikes the differences too. The Time Lords refused to change: they stopped even acknowledging they had a history ( or so the incredibly thick "Rassion, Omega, and the Other Guy" implies ) and Jack continues to change and evolve.

[identity profile] fandom-me.livejournal.com 2007-09-02 03:58 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, but the time lords also refused to deal with the outside universe for fear of fucking it up. The planet itself did change - if only in that it died. Though no, really NOT the same thing. Would be interesting to know if Gallifrey had weather and storms and earth quakes and the like.

I actually like your theory better. Mine just makes Ten a little more interesting when I choose tow ant to prod him that way *G*
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[identity profile] msp-hacker.livejournal.com 2007-09-02 04:24 am (UTC)(link)
...Oh *face palm*. I was talking about the fact that Gailifrey didn't have earthquakes, and only young upstart planets like the Earth did, but now I remember it was fic not cannon or even agreed fannon.

But, one could reason that a time traveling civilization could have learned to tinker with their planet's weather and geology to relive the stresses that changes 'bad weather' to 'catastrophic weather' so they wouldn't have hurricanes, tornadoes, and major earthquakes - but still have storms, and low level earthquakes.

*laughs* That it does.

[identity profile] fandom-me.livejournal.com 2007-09-02 04:26 am (UTC)(link)
HA! I was confused, briefly. Not your fault, I just haven't (clearly) read the fic. I really do need to read more than I do in fandom. Unfortunately, I'm very weird about how long I can stay put at the computer and that really makes reading a pain in the ass. The laptop makes writing easier - *Babbles at you*

Back on topic: there's the whole domed thing - why is their city domed, anyway? Either the weather outside is severe or there's just the desire to control what's inside or the whole Time Lord citadel and the Others outside. *ponders, a lot*
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[identity profile] msp-hacker.livejournal.com 2007-09-02 05:07 am (UTC)(link)
And I could have been clearer too, and referring to random fics found on the Teaspoon doesn't help matters at all - though I can not for the life of me remember the story except for that one line about Gailfrey and earthquakes!

I always associate Time Lords with control, so it could be the weather and controling the people inside, monitoring who comes into the city and keeping everyone else outside, all at the same time.

And, because the wall looks Impressive.